Curse

DismalClown · May 30, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

I don't want to discus any particular Guild War issue, just gamer whining in general.

I like to read message boards for every game I play, and I've noticed for every game (especially online games) there are plenty of people whining. If these games are so bad why are so many people playing them?

Perhaps it's just me, I rarely complain about anything. I either like something or I don’t, accept something for the way it is or attempt to change it (for the things I can – like me not having a job at the moment).

I find this game and many other games very impressive. There are many ways for me to appreciate and enjoy it.

I had some problems with CoH, I would lose my connection every .5 hour and it had a real grind. So I stopped playing it, no big deal. I still appreciate many aspects of the game (the travel powers are the greatest thing ever) and I never posted a negative post on their message boards. Why you may ask? Well it's not my game; it's their game. They made it the way they wanted to and if I don't like it I don't have to play.

Could it be that I make a good amount of money (when I'm working) and I don't care if I waist $50. Or perhaps it's because I'm a computer programmer and an amateur game maker and I respect the work that goes into game making.

Is it just gamers or are all people a bunch of wining crybabies?

Caco-Cola · May 30, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

That depends.

What you percieve as a whining crybaby some percieve as having a good point and vice versa.

And yes, $50 is a little hard on some people. They expect something and they want it.

Right now the game is advertised with no grind. Some people percieve it has grind and that their 50 was wasted and some percieve that the advertisement holds true, that there is no grind.

It's all about perception.

Kershent · May 30, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

It's not gamers, it's just people. Gotta learn to deal with it.

ihmurria · May 30, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the game IS updated often, and some of the changes come from user suggestions. Whining probably sin't the most efficient manner of getting your point across, but it has worked in the past for 'em

Principa Discordia · May 30, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

By some definitions, threads like these would be considered whining.

Also, while your points are indeed valid, this must be thread #550983098 on this exact topic.

Guardian Legend · May 30, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

I don't see how the "love it or leave it" argument is valid. It has never been a valid argument in any discussion in history.

Caco-Cola · May 30, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

There's a saying, only idiots deal in absolutes.

Something like that.

toastgodsupreme · May 30, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Am I the only person seeing the irony in a thread whining about whiners? =P

DrSLUGFly · May 30, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

What gets me is when people complain about a game, but still register for a forum and post in that forum about how much they hate it...

If I pissed off about a game, I move on to something that doesn't piss me off... cuz, well quite frankly, I don't enjoy being pissed off. It's just the whole nature of the emotion.

DismalClown · May 30, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

For those of you who don't understand I was tying to start a semi-intelligent discussion considering the sociology of online game players. The question is do they complain more about games, than they would about other things?

As far as the "love it or leave it" argument not being valid. That's taking my philosophy a little to simplistically. What I'm talking about is respecting a game designers game for what it is and appreciating human creativity. I prefer to put my feeling of dislike to a more creative purpose (my own game designs or other creative endeavors).

sama · May 30, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by DismalClown

For those of you who don't understand I was tying to start a semi-intelligent discussion considering the sociology of online game players. The question is do they complain more about games, than they would about other things?

As far as the "love it or leave it" argument not being valid. That's taking my philosophy a little to simplistically. What I'm talking about is respecting a game designers game for what it is and appreciating human creativity. I prefer to put my feeling of dislike to a more creative purpose (my own game designs or other creative endeavors).

hmm, then perhaps you should use another word in place of whining. You see, whining has taken on quite a negative connotation on these forums and from given the context of your post, it seems to have implied that you're "whining" about the whiners.

But ok, let's have a frank discussion about your true intent for this post. Guild Wars is both a game and a product put out by a company looking to make money by selling to customers (gamers). Those customers have paid for the game and thus have a right to note problems with their product. It's the american way. Even if one were to ignore the pvp issues with guild wars, there are still far too many bugs in this game.

Also, however the complaints may be delivered, you will find shreads of constructive criticism that would be invaluble in making the game/product better. It's not like people (and certainly Americans as a society) to sit idly if there was a problem that affected them.

Sekkira · May 30, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

*insert penny arcade comic here*

Gear853 · May 30, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Jackathan

kids who play video games are tough online cause theyre fat and pimply

LOL.

I’m like the original poster, if I don't like it, I leave it.

Nothing in this world is perfect even in a game such as MMORPG or for Guild War CORPG. That’s why it gets updated and gets patched once a while.

I'm sure the programmer and developer is doing their absolute best to make it as bug free as possible, but anyone that does any kind of programming knows, fix one bug sometime cause another bug to happen!

But at the end, it's only a game... if you want to make the game better, whining, complaining and moaning about problem you see, usually won't fix the problem. Why not rather, report the bugs and issues you have?

If you have the issues, here is a big chance someone out there that have the same issues too!

Peace

MyriaN · May 31, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by DismalClown

Perhaps it's just me, I rarely complain about anything. I either like something or I don’t, accept something for the way it is or attempt to change it (for the things I can – like me not having a job at the moment).

There's nothing wrong with complaining. If I were a developer, I would rather hear what you didn't like than not know what I'm doing wrong and go out of business.
That's probably why a lot of developers have their own forums where they specifically ask for complaints to be posted.
In fact, I would not be surprised if developers frequently visited independent forums (such as this one) to get more feedback.

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Originally Posted by DismalClown

I had some problems with CoH, I would lose my connection every .5 hour and it had a real grind. So I stopped playing it, no big deal. I still appreciate many aspects of the game (the travel powers are the greatest thing ever) and I never posted a negative post on their message boards. Why you may ask? Well it's not my game; it's their game. They made it the way they wanted to and if I don't like it I don't have to play.

Actually, I don't think you're doing anyone any favors when you don't tell them that you don't like something.
Professional game developers aren't hobbyists. I can't imagine that they would be sitting in a room and thinking "let's just make the game that we want to play, and if no one likes it then screw em, they don't have to play it."
I think they probably want to know what you liked and disliked about their last game or other games.

Miss Selina · May 31, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Why are YOU whining against whiners...Huh...Play the game and dont worry about what everyone else is doing. Help people along the way, make friends and ignore the idiots

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There's a saying, only idiots deal in absolutes.

WRONG WRONG

Only the Dark Side deals in absolutes.--Obi Wan

Weezer_Blue · May 31, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Stop complaining about our complaining.

If no one complained, games would never get any better. And why do people complain about on line games? Because they can be changed quite easily. If I buy a sucky console game, well... I just wasted 50 bucks. But I can't do anything about it, can I? If I buy an online game, and there is something that I don't like about it, if enough people don't like it, we can complain and get it changed for the better. It is to your benefit.

Mountain Man · May 31, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Do you really expect people who play games to be mature?

psycore · May 31, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Am I the only person seeing the irony in a thread whining about whiners? =P

hahah, class call

JjK · May 31, 2005, 05:27 AM // 05:27

rawr! we dont whiine , ahhh noobzo0r

chalt2 · May 31, 2005, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

Right now the game is advertised with no grind. Some people percieve it has grind and that their 50 was wasted and some percieve that the advertisement holds true, that there is no grind.

I keep hearing this and I wonder WHAT IS "grind" has it been defined?

Who has made the the standard for "grind"?

And where on the GW box, site or any other advertisement has it been stated that will be NO Grind?

Isn't "grind" just a usefull negative "catchall" term that is overused and not understood?

Isn't "grind" JUST:

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

perception.